I am not sure if this would work or not, but maybe if there was room somewhere in the city, if enough people tried for it, maybe the gov't could build a building? I mean, if they are willing to give money out to businesses that fail, and that succeed, then I am sure if there was a good business plan, it may be possible. If I wasn't moving I would strike up a business plan with some older folk to help me, approach who I have to for a grant, and either find a random building to rent out, or an older building no longer used because building one may cost more then the grant could pay for. But it would be a business, because with the bands that are starting to come through Wet Dry shows would make a killing.
Just a thought, lemme know what you think/disagree/agree with?
OFcourse you would need a few dedicated souls to take care of it all the time, a bartender and wet/dry license as well as a sufficient amount of liquor to start off with that after finding a building and rent, may or may not cover. But I think if someone(s) in this city did that and had the time, it would blossom this growing scene that much more.
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1. i'm not sure if the city would be keen on being in the booze business.
2. wet/dry licenses are pretty near impossible to get. i think they might even be impossible to get and the only places that have them now had them when they were allowed and can't get them taken away.
3. i, for one, am not down with working in any type of cooperative/not-for-profit type of organization. if i am going to work at something i either would want to handle it alone, for profit, or in a for profit partnership. other than essential services, like healthcare and the like, i don't think that businesses should be out there without a for profit model.
4. this kinds ties the last two together. i don't think there are many people around in the scene with enough business sense/motivation to run an operation like this. if people did, they'd be operating businesses already instead of working in call centres.
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* add to sense/motivation - capital.
No good deed goes unpunished.
msn: eddie@sjfn.nb.caYou and I in a rowboat, at the end of the world.
FYI: There are only 4 "wet/dry" licenses available in NB, 1. Resturant license, where the primary source of income is selling food, not liquor; 2. Forces canteen license, available only to the DND or RCMP; 3. Special ficility license, think Imperial Theatre or Harbour Station; and 4. Club license.
The Special ficility license would be the most desirable for something like this but those licensees are usually only granted to municipalities. The club license is what the KBM has. A club license has some conditions: the club has to have a permanent membership of at least 40 members, and the club has to be provincially incorporated (complete with a constitution and by-laws)
In addition, any liquor license application must be accompanied with documentation from the fire marshal, building inspector and the minister of health and wellness. The license itself costs $175 (plus a $100 non-refundable application fee) They usually also stipulate that you carry a hefty insurance policy as a condition of the license.
No good deed goes unpunished.
msn: eddie@sjfn.nb.caYou and I in a rowboat, at the end of the world.
1. i'm not sure if the city would be keen on being in the booze business.
The Imperial Theatre is owned by the city and t sells booze.
2. wet/dry licenses are pretty near impossible to get. i think they might even be impossible to get and the only places that have them now had them when they were allowed and can't get them taken away.
Nope. see my previous post.
3. i, for one, am not down with working in any type of cooperative/not-for-profit type of organization. if i am going to work at something i either would want to handle it alone, for profit, or in a for profit partnership. other than essential services, like healthcare and the like, i don't think that businesses should be out there without a for profit model.
Liquor Control Act: Section 104(1):
"No club licence shall be issued to a club under this Act unless
(a) it is a non-proprietary club and is not operated for the
pecuniary gain or personal benefit of any member or shareholder
thereof or any other person,"
Brad, I think guys
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it's sad that the only way a lot of people(ie. non underagers) would support/attend an all ages venue/show is if it's wet/dry.
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neil: agreed.
I agree too. It is sad, but you know it's true.
Balls to that.
I'd go if it wasn't wet/dry.
..........I'd just snap a few back in the alley
LOL
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i'm sure if the shows were good that people 19+ would be going to them if there was no booze. lots of 19+ people went to the deep end.
as a business idea, having booze to sell makes sense. how can someone operate a building without any significant source of revenue?
grease me up woman!!
If you're interested in putting on an all ages show, why not use the Boardwalk? It is already all-ages AND wet/dry.....give me a shout w/ your ideas...though I know it would be nice to have a more permanent venue.....
I don't think the City wouldn't touch this idea w/ a ten foot pole; where's the benefit of this for them?
Chris Daigle
The Gothic Arches is another possible venue.
tan-nee had an all ages show at the gothic arches,
i believe it's realy expensive
Pete
Refuse Resist...de ne ne neneh
Conforming to abnormality
yeah, i think finding a venue owner who's willing to dedicate certain time slots to all ages show makes financial sense (athough I realize the difficulty in finding these people in pretty much all cities).
As for building/opening a dedicated all ages venue....great idea, but from a business standpoint, you better be prepared to lose a lot of money for the cause, because unfortunately you won't turn a profit.
The Gothic Arches physically is an awesome place. But isn't it 500 bucks a pop, just to rent, without a PA?? That's alot of money just for rent. Then the cost of promotion, Pa, and gas money, unless you get a few hundred ppl out you won't break even.
almost killed me
Yes, the Gothic Arches was extremely expensive, but the guy who runs it is ridiculously nice & understanding. Thumbs up to him.
Realistically, if one is looking to establish some sort of business whose primary function is a venue for all-ages shows, there is basically no way that it can be sustainable - at least not in Saint John (unless people are willing to pay $100 for admission to shows).
This upsets me. Of course. Thumbs down.
poop is pee
I say we re-open the Local on King St.
Fuck Tapps, they have a great room and could not give two shits whether they have live music or not there on a weekly basis.
Where is Anthony Davis when you need him....lol
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i think tapp's is motivated to do whatever they can to get sales up. they're a business. music gets people in the door upstairs so i can imagine that they are pretty into having bands play there. if a weekly chess club could fill the room then i bet they'd be into chess. if they're into us being there i jdon't see why you gotta knock them.
poop is pee
from what I have heard of bands trying to book shows at tapps is that they put little to no effort in completing the deal. Maybe they have changed recently, but in the past few years, they have turned down many offers to play shows there.
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i guess they didn't feel comfortable with the people they were dealing with because i've had good dealings with them and medusa promotions has a good relationship with them.
poop is pee
has nothing to do with comfort of who they are dealing with? Are you trying to say that I am not professional or my friends are not? I hope that is not what you are implying Mr. Dan Jones.
I thought it was the crowd that we generated at first, but its no worse than a punk/indie show would produce.
As I said, maybe they have changed since I have heard of dealings with them (1-2 years ago).
fred, that isn't the case
well, now it is the case.
things have changed.
my first reply was to your "from what I have heard" post
Tapps is a kick ass venue, stage is a little small but it has a great atmosphere and setting. We have never tried to get a show there, or anywhere in the city we just like jumping on random shows, but I have only heard good things from Tapps. Promotion wise it is usually up to the band to promote the show. All the Tapps shows I have gone to have rocked and I believe it's a great venue. I heard in the past of a few difficulties but haven't lately.
Brad, I think guys
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has nothing to do with comfort of who they are dealing with? Are you trying to say that I am not professional or my friends are not? I hope that is not what you are implying Mr. Dan Jones.
Oh the drama. dan said "perhaps they weren't comfortable with who they were dealing with" in reply to you saying "from what i've heard..." no where did you say "i tried to book shows" or "my friends tried to book shows" and dan didn't say they weren't professional he said perhaps tapps asn't comfrotable with it...frig...
And with Neil, you better watch out or he will get Brad and they will ruin the internet for you!!!
No good deed goes unpunished.
msn: eddie@sjfn.nb.caYou and I in a rowboat, at the end of the world.
Tapps is a pretty good venue though I'm not too crazy about the way it's laid out (I'd move the bar farther back so there's not so much of a bottleneck towards the front).
I thought it was the crowd that we generated at first, but its no worse than a punk/indie show would produce.
They have been having shows there for years, I think it mght have something to do with the crowd, I mean they make thier money selling beer and if everyone goes out back and smokes up instead or buying beer they're not going to make much money are they?
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there he is.
meg, exploding dog called, they want their style back.
who's exploding dog?
:(
poop is pee
I did jump overboard there for a moment...but that is Fred Mcgriff's style. He was a swing for the fence type of guy!!
Heck I even saw him break a bat over his bicep once!!
Tapps is a great venue and I have had/been to some great shows there! I agree that the crowds that smoke more pot thatn drink are less desirable for the bar.
I am just pulling on dan j's chain..cause I want his wallet and know that its attached!
alive & breathing.
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fred, do you play in a music group? etc
also, are you paul leblanc's cousin.
seeing how you and paul's cousin have the same name and all, i thought i would ask.
aww well that style is pretty common...it's stick figures fer god sakes.
*looks in style magazines, sees that brad looks like every emu look ever*
I can only speak of my own experiences with Tapps when we played with C'Mon. They were great! We got our guarentee, free meals, and free beverages...How much of that is Tapps,a nd how much of that is Medusa Promotions, but all I know is I had a good time.
i love emu, what can i say
....and there's that pic you were talking about lol
*high fives Brad*
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i think things did change there awhile back. at one point it seemed a little difficult to get something going there and then it got a lot better...it was right around the time i did the 2nd great fire there. alan, the guy who was doing the booking then, was really easy to deal with. after we made our deal he was really hands off and let me do as i wished.