Matthew
moderncountrygentleman@gmail.com
Who has more fun than people!?!
It would be cool to have a huge protest about the city council/mayor and the LNG terminal deal. Like really huge. Many hundreds of people. And David Suzuki. Then the national news will pick up the story coverage a little more.
we'll sink this city
But why David Suzuki?
I thought LNG was a clean-burning fuel.
I do think it would be fun to shut down the city for a while. Or surround several of the Irving buildings on Union Street at rush hour.
Matthew
moderncountrygentleman@gmail.com
Who has more fun than people!?!
LNG terminals are not envronmentally friendly and it would be cool to hang out with David Suzuki.
Then some non-Irving controlled media might be able to show the rest of Canada how that family operates NB with its backroom politics and crooked shananagins.
That crooked old fool of a mayor that we got stuck with needs to resign. Maybe the whole council should resign.
Normie, your backroom deals are grating on the publics nerves and pretty soon you're going have protesters on every corner holding their noses and judging you in their mind.
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I thought we elected Norm in because he had inside connections as compared to Shirley who had no political skills. I mean, c'mon people. We knew the kinda guy he was when we elected him and now everyone is bitching about him. I am not opposed to this LNG business btw. I think it is good for the city. Just a little trivia of a city giving a big company a good deal - When Guinness opened in Dublin the city gave them a 9000 year lease for 80 pounds for their land.
Matthew
moderncountrygentleman@gmail.com
Who has more fun than people!?!
I didn't vote Norm.
It will not be good for the city because plastic plants and industrial chemical companies will come here and our pollution laws are already so relaxed that we have no protection. I am not for the plant.
A brewery wouldn't blow up a city, a LNG terminal could do that though.
Eat Turd
moderncountrygentleman, are you fucking serious?
Assfucks like you are the reason why Saint John is being flushed down the toilet by dumber than turd rednecks.
Everyone is too busy ragging on about the Irvings to realize that Norm probably just did the best thing for the city that anyone has done in a long time. Instead of looking out for his own political agenda (which I doubt he has, Norm's not really the political type, he usually only does what's right), he's actually looking out for the cities best interests.
Sure, the whole media monopoly by the Irvings is a little sketchy, but sit back and think of how much they give the city of saint john. Face it, you live in an industrial city. The ONLY thing that SJ has going for it is the industry, and without it, the city WILL fail.
The only people who are complaining and bitching about this deal are the ignorant and uninformed. Anyone who has taken the time to do ANY research into this whole thing will be able to plainly see it is in the best interest of the city for this deal to go through.
What I would love, LOVE to see, is for Irving to just pack it all up. EVERYTHING. Somehow move the whole refinery out of the city, all the offices, all the little Irving companies, the nature park, everything else they have given to the city of saint john, pack it all up and move, with a big Fuck You sign on the back of the truck and see what Saint Johner's do then.
Assclown.
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hey now. this thread didn't have any name calling before...but i do agree with what you're saying briggs. i'd disagree with you saying he isn't the political type but maybe we're using different meanings. i think he is the political type because he knows how politics works and he can tap different levels of government with ease.
Eat Turd
yeah, the name calling may be a bit much. I just find it very frustrating how not only are alot of citizens quite ignorant, but that many council member are using the ignorance of the citizens to propel their own ignorant asses up the food chain, and in doing so might sink the city into a deep hole.
What I meant by Norm not being political is that Norm isn't doing this to fulfill his own private agenda. Norm is genuinely concerned with the well being of the city of Saint John, whereas the concerns of many councillors are kind of up in the air and in some cases, residing deep within never never land. I typically see most politicians as incompetent, selfish, easily controlled hypocrits who are generally lower on the scale than lawyers. Norm isn't one of those. I for one really like Norm, and think he could do a much better job if morons weren't constantly bothering him with trivial crap. My only beef is that he hired an executive assistant that lives in Quispam.
On another note, the LNG plant isn't going to "blow up" the city, moron. (Sorry, more name calling)
If really you want something to protest, do a little reading about the Fundy Solid Waste Commission, specifically, the design of the leachate treatment facility at the SJ dump, and their proposed ideas for solving the problems associated with their leachate treatment facility. Also, take a peek at the costs associated with that glorified hole in the ground.
we'll sink this city
I think the LNG plant is an excellent idea, and I think we should welcome it with open arms. I also believe using tax cuts to get that plant built is a good idea, but I think the cuts were too damn big. Also, the idea of tax cuts should have been discussed with council, rather than Norm making backroom deals. Shame on Norm. Shame on you all.
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Too be perfectly honest, the discussion of a deal of this magnitude is well beyond the capacity of most of the council members. I honestly doubt Norm had much of a say in it.
The plant would have been built one way or the other. Saint John should just be lucky the deal was not recinded, because all they have to do is go about 3 miles down the road and build the plant there, outside city limits, and there would be no taxes coming into the city from the property. I would also imagine that if that were the case, no Saint John trades people would have been employed in the construction of the plant, just for spite.
Josh
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someone wanna fill me in on what this whole LNG thing is? or give me a link that will explain it?
No good deed goes unpunished.
msn: eddie@sjfn.nb.caYou and I in a rowboat, at the end of the world.
Just further proof that Saint John is still run like a banana republic. Here's a couple of links to stories through google news and google.
No good deed goes unpunished.
msn: eddie@sjfn.nb.caYou and I in a rowboat, at the end of the world.
I forgot to underline the links (cause I'm a dumbass), google and google news are both clickable.
Thebunk
Fucking Sweet!
I have been waiting for a Gap or Banana Republic to come to SJ! No more driving to Moncton for my hipster threads!
Matthew
moderncountrygentleman@gmail.com
Who has more fun than people!?!
I had something long and tirade-like thought up, but it would be a waste of time.
The LNG plant is going to make our air quality even worse if other heavy industry is drawn here. That on top of our already bad air quality will make things worse. We cannot keep close watch on our heavy industry with what we have now, more of it will just lead to less stringent standards and dirtier conditions.
Also, backroom dealing is crooked, the system (government and economy)is perverted and needs to be fixed. Citizens protesting a decision made behind closed doors is good for the city and good for ther system. Change has to come from somewhere.
No good deed goes unpunished.
msn: eddie@sjfn.nb.caYou and I in a rowboat, at the end of the world.
I'm pretty sure ALL of the natural gas will be piped to our energy-hungry neighbours to the south.
Eat Turd
Air Quality? You really aren't too bright are you?
If you really need to get your whiny ass out and protest something, why not protest the fossil fuel fired power plant that has been proposed to be built rather than building a new nuclear reactor?
Like I said before, Saint John is an industrial city. If your concern is really for the environment, you're not really aiming your big guns in the right spot there cowboy. You should go protest by camping out at Marsh Creek, maybe bathe in it, use it to cook your noodles, whatever. That'll get you the attention you so desperately seek. In case you didn't know, the contaminant levels in Marsh Creek would technically qualify it as an open sewer.
I really doubt you know dick all about the environment, air quality, or any of the other bullshit you're spewing. Try educating yourself a little and give'er another go later.
grease me up woman!!
like the fine moderncountrygentleman, I'm going to refrain from adding more than my two cents to this, other than to say to the good Rev: about your point that this city would die w/out Irving...that's like saying we don't want to find a cure for cancer or AIDS b/c of the loss of jobs for doctors, nurses, drug companies, etc. Sure, Irving has provided our city w/ much, but at what price? Would those organizations not have been replaced by INDIVIDUAL companies had there been the opportunity when these industries were being developed? The reason Irving contributes so much is b/c they OWN so much!
I think I've mentioned this nexy point on here once upon a time, but there are ppl who work for businesses in SJ that don't even know they're Irving employees b/c they're not allowed to be told!(I have a cousin who used to work in payroll, and Irving employees are supposed to get some sort of discount on something, and there were a chunk of folks who didn't, and that's the response she got - albeit a VERY hush hush one - when she asked a long-time employee of the department over drinks one night......)
That's not to say I don't credit Irving with being the (VERRRRY successful) model of capitalism, but that certainly doesn't mean I respect them for it, or think our city would be NOTHING w/out them....
I do commend you for taking the rarely defended position Reverend, but I WOULD like to know why the heck you're so defensive about the Irvings, mang? There's no need to be a dink, you know...you're coming off quite dinkishly....hehehehehe....I just wanted to use that word ONCE in my life in print.....
still laughing....dinkishly.....
Matthew
moderncountrygentleman@gmail.com
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Man, you are one abrasive bag of shit. I don't hesitate to use the term. You must be one of those protofascists that are all about exploitative capitalism. Fuck you man.
You must just be saying stuff to piss me off. To see what I'll sat in return. Irving has do no favours for this city and anything that appears to be a favour is probably a tax shelter/write off, but it isn't all their fault. The system is corrupt. We must exploit to make money. Only we aren't just exploiting ourselves and our planet, we are exploiting the generations to come that'll have to deal with even higher rates of pollution and disease. Down with capitalism, it has too many problems in its current form.
Reverend Buddy Winkler, I cordially invite you to reality, where heavy industry pollutes and gets tax and various other incentives to further exploit all the short term gain it can get out of an area before killing it.
There's Marsh Creek, yeah, but that isn't new and that needs to be cleaned up, but, it isn't going to be a huge burden on the backs of those who live along the Atlantic seaboard. It'd be nice to get that cleaned up, but you need to stop the spread of infection before you can wipe it out.
As far as the proposed new power plant, HAHAHA! That is what politicos call "bullshitting", perhaps you've heard of it. It is when you want something, so you bolster your point by adding a threat. The cost of the refurbishment is 1.4 billion. How much do you think the province will need to build another power plant? They just blew a big chunk of change on the ore emulsion fiasco. The provincial government is ridiculous anyway, just like you. Refurbishing Lepreau is a bad idea too. We need to alter our consumption patterns and get serious about living within our means. The federal government does not have to do shit, power generation is all in the hands of the provincial government (section 92 a-c of the Constitution). But the agin, this comes back to the perversion of the system. It is really a significant problem in North America. It is prevalent in other parts of the world as well, but it seems to have a deathgrip on NA. Consumerism is a disease and we are all affected. I don't want to be part of a society that promotes those values.
Oh, and I know a little about the environment, but I'm not an environmentalist or a scientist so feel free to go pleasure yourself with a rusty paint can.
The sad reality of the situation is that none of these people are "The Political Type",but merely the latest ragtag assemblage
of representatives without any solid political connections or real
political power,but this is certainly not a new story here in Serf City.Unfortunately for Saint John you will find that the majority of the opportunistic "residents"decided long ago to abandon the actual social realities of this town for life in a suburban strip mall dreamland of their own creation,only returning to town to suck at the corporate teat,and possibly toss a coin or two to the ever grateful peasants whilst collecting their rent monies.Ah,yes children,a more pronounced case of class division/white flight you are not likely to witness in your all too short lifetimes,and,by the way,who in the fuck is this behind this behind the scenes secret genius who calls himself The Reverend Buddy Winkler?
Eat Turd
Whoa. Keep writing dude..... This is good stuff.
i think that contraption cpt kirk is holding is used for pulling heads out of asses?
Eat Turd
oh, and resident alien, to answer your question,
I'm that guy you wish you were.
Brent had a
any bands he just moshed as if his
life depended on it.
I think he meant to put this picture:
How was my weekend?
one of those bridget jones movies
Thanks for asking. :(
*shakes head*
Not only is he an intellectual giant,but a comic genius as well!
Ladies and Gentlemen,a true Renaissance Man walks among you,and we are not worthy to worship at the feet of The Reverend Buddy Wanker!
Not only is he an intellectual giant,but a comic genius as well!
Ladies and Gentlemen,a true Renaissance Man walks among you,and we are not worthy to worship at the feet of The Reverend Buddy Wanker!
Eat Turd
You got 2 out of 3, and according to meatloaf, that ain't bad.
Reverend Buddy WINKLER.....you were close, but not quite.
I'm glad you appreciate my advanced intellect as well as my superb comedic wit.
When I grow out of my protofascist state into a full blown fascist, and realize my potential as a master of exploitative capitalism, I will only require you to bow down a little.
Which one are you in the photo Rev.Wanker,the one on the left or the right?Is this a scene taken from Jamband nation?
Eat Turd
That wasn't nearly as witty as I'd hoped.... Maybe give moderncountrygentleman another turn..
We can only aspire to one day be as witty as Rev.SecondhandImageFactoryWanker.mr.moderncountrygentleman,if you are out there,I call upon you at this time to come out and whittle this amateur into kindling!
P.S.You really should consider heading back to the woodshed to work on some original material.
Eat Turd
Umm.... I know we're working with an exceptional learner here but c'mon. It wasn't your turn.
Look out, the middle ages are coming to get ya!! whilst....ha...
No good deed goes unpunished.
msn: eddie@sjfn.nb.caYou and I in a rowboat, at the end of the world.
This thread has turned just plain silly, lol.
Eat Turd
What's silly about the middle ages?
No good deed goes unpunished.
msn: eddie@sjfn.nb.caYou and I in a rowboat, at the end of the world.
I think the pic of the dude in the mask is where the silly point was passed.
Eat Turd
Fanatic - A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.
The introduction of a person such as this to a discussion usually signals the end of the debate.
It's like discussing evolution with a republican.
I can spot a commandment-breaker
a mile away
Ironically, LNG companies have been attempting to penetrate Maine communities with this source of fuel for over a year now, and they've been denied (Harpswell, Cumberland, etc) more than accepted thus far.
One good reason is because their mayor doesn't conduct backroom deals without encouraging a public debate beforehand.
In several ways, Maine's processes are shockingly more democratic than our own. The tiny town of Perry, for example, voted down the measure 279 to 214 in late March, despite the promise of "more short-term jobs than there are residents here and a yearly stipend exceeding the town's annual budget." I'm not saying a straight up referendum is the answer in SJ, it'd probably be too costly, but there are compromises.
Also, in some cases, the LNG organization has offered to PAY THE PROPERTY TAXES OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES FOR UP TO 5 YEARS, to persuade the citizens to accept what is a very unstable source of fuel.
Try and find a municipal-corporate agreement in Canada where property taxes were limited to this extreme. And for 25 years no less. As nice as job provision is, the ends don't justify the means in this case. Who's responsible to provide funding in order to create/maintain the roads on the east side to accomodate the project - Irving or the taxpayers of Saint John? Residents of the area will likely see their property value drop as a result of the project. Who compensates them for that?
It was a miserable deal, plain and simple.